Fani willis or whether this grand jury here believe that these state laws or broken here. we know that the anticipation those witnesses, george chidi as well as jeff duncan, they were supposed to go before the grand jury tomorrow. but abruptly here this afternoon, fani willis s office ask them to come in and testify. both men have done so now. and now, apparently, their final witnesses intended to go before the grand jury, apparently they re not going to be brought in to testify. in fact, instead, she went straight to vote here, as a thunderstorm began here outside downtown atlanta. yeah, vaughn, you told us several things including every of the case, if charged, which is the vote we are waiting on. that could really stretch from early november out until 2021. that is certainly a wider calendar than the jack smith charge, but it may speak to what americans have learned on this process, that we actually take seriously the different laws and different places, and what happened in georg
They just have to put sufficient evidence for what you are telling us. i d love for you to reflect on that, as i remind our viewers here joining us from the east coast, we are not following at least the beginning initiation of grand jury voting and that trump election case in georgia. yeah, so, ari, you raised some very important points. so, number one, you do not have to have a unanimous, quote, verdict reached by grand jurors. as i said, in the state of georgia, you need to have at least 12 of the 23 grand jurors that have sat through the presentment of the evidence to be able to put a charge through. number two, another critical point, the burden of proof in a criminal case when you go to a trial is beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. but the burden on the prosecution in this instance instanin the presentment of evidence and the grand jury, is just probable cause. as we know, probable cause is a much lower standard. and so, to your point, not only could not all
Katie fang is standing by. so, our panel is going to stay, we ve got a lot going on. katie, you have been at the courthouse there in fulton county. you have plenty of legal experience, including as a prosecutor, what can you tell us just about what you are learning and seeing tonight? so, obviously, as you have mentioned, ari, there was the anticipation that this was gonna take two days. the fact that we have heard from one particular witness by the name of george chidi, who was supposed to testify tomorrow. but he indicated on social media that he has been told that he doesn t need to testify today, there should be some addition about the presentment of that case by d.a. fani willis. so, just for our viewers to understand, there are 23 members of the grand jury. the law requires that 16 of those 23 must be present for the entirety of the presentation of the prosecution s case. but that only takes 12 of those 23 grand jurors to be able to vote a charge through. i also want to let peo
You continue to do these threats, i m moving the trial date up, because i cannot risk having the integrity of my process flip that away. how long do you think this voting is going to take tonight? well, a grand jury, usually it only takes 12 to 23, and that s it can be fairly fast. but if there are multiple defendants, if there is a, you know, very, very lengthy charge, they have to read all of that. and then, they have to vote as to each defendant, as to each charge. so if you have ten defendants we were discussing this earlier. six unindicted coconspirators, that will be different if this was five, ten individuals. we just don t know right now. exactly. let s say you have 15 people. and you have 20 charges. they really have to focus on each one. however, if they have really listened to the evidence, they may be able to do that relatively quickly. but it does take an individual determination. you want that. so, that could take a little bit of time. yeah, as we continue t
The former president in office. and so, what you are looking at, conspiratorial activity, you are looking at several individuals that were doing different things but for one purpose. and in layman s terms, that is sort of the essence of what a rico charge is. i want to bring ari back in here now. ari, you know, we know that specifically, rudy giuliani was named as a target in this investigation. but there could potentially be others. what should we be looking for as we wait in anticipation of what he grand jury says? it s a great question, symone. as you pointed out, we have been following this out of georgia for a while. indeed, it was longer running then when jack smith took over the coup probe. you mentioned there s giuliani. there are other individuals who might not have been the target, but brought in. we have footage of some of the witnesses. we know senator lindsey graham, for example, was ultimately a witness as well. and so, one of the questions that we can t answer at thi