right now, but long term, what sort of weapons do they need to hold russia at bay and defend their own sovereignty, jake. oren liebermann reporting for us from near ramstein air base in germany. thank you. here to discuss, the former u.s. ambassador to nato during the obama years. ivo daulder. back in march, two weeks into russia s invasion, president biden said direct confrontation between nato and russia would mean world war iii. now we re hearing from the u.s. and allies that the goal is to weaken russia s military. is there any risk in stating this goal as it is, that it might cause world war iii, as president biden said he was afraid of beginning? well, clearly, when you have a war in the middle of europe, the first major war since 1945, we are in fact closer to the possibility of some kind of confrontation that could escalate to world war iii.
importance of europe to reduce its dependence on russian energy, to start looking for alternative sources of gas. just last month for the first time more gas came through liquefied natural gas, lmg, ports and ships, was imported into europe than came from the russian pipelines. that s where the future lies, and over time europe will have to need less russian gas. and at that point cutting it off from the rest of the world is the right thing to do. ambassador ivo daulder, thank you. my pleasure. and tonight we re hearing of a story that helped inspire ukrainian defiance. you may remember the border guards who refused to surrender their tiny island to a russian warship. this was their last recorded exchange .