Escalate perhaps further tensions? i don t think it would. tensions are very high as they are. i think we can expect finland and swede ton declare their intent within a little more than a week. there are political processes underway in both of our countries, different processes, but entirely parallel. so when that has happened, nato would have negotiations and after that has been completed, i don t think that will take too much time, ratification of the member states. so a little more than a week. the former swedish prime minister joining us from stockholm. thank you very much, sir. here in ukraine a world war ii veteran feels there is little really to celebrate. 97-year-old ivan lusun fought for the soviet union in poland, belarus and germany and was decorated for his courage