And humanitarian. and humanitarian. indeed, madeleine, and humanitarian. indeed, madeleine, and and humanitarian. indeed, madeleine, and you - and humanitarian. indeed, madeleine, and you pointl and humanitarian. indeed, i madeleine, and you point out their strategy failed, but specifically the aim of ensuring that not more refugees would come to australia s shores, was there any improvement in those figures come as a result of the strategy? come as a result of the strate: ? ., , strategy? no comment fact, the situation went strategy? no comment fact, the situation went backwards, - strategy? no comment fact, the situation went backwards, so - strategy? no comment fact, the situation went backwards, so in| situation went backwards, so in the first year of offshore processing, more than 2a,000 people arrived in australia by boat. and to put that number in context, in the previous years and decades, the number of people arriving by boat in australia was in the hundreds, or at it
Appear to be getting rid of their covered zero policy. covid zero. krishna udayakumar, who is the founding director of the duke global health innovation centre, told me he doesn t think that china s covid figures have been accurate throughout the pandemic and argues that the same thing is happening in shanghai. well, if we look at the number of cases in the hundreds of thousands, i would be shocked if it was only three deaths, especially in the context of the age and demographics of the population, as well as the vaccination and booster rates. the vaccination and booster rates involved. and this goes back to the accuracy of data from china. if we look at the entire pandemic so far, it s just about 4640 deaths that have been reported. when we see different modelling, it would tell us that that s off by anywhere from a factor of three so maybe three times as much as much as 100 times off. we don t think the numbers are quite accurate from across the pandemic. i would argue the sam
Didn t? ~ ~ , ., ., didn t? well, the australian context is didn t? well, the australian context is very didn t? well, the australian context is very different - didn t? well, the australian l context is very different from that facing the uk, and i think that facing the uk, and i think thatis that facing the uk, and i think that is a very important point to remember. whereas i understand the uk is concerned primarily with boats coming across the channel from france, we were dealing in many cases from people fleeing directly from people fleeing directly from their country of origin, that being sri lanka, so people leaving the place directly they were claiming persecution, and being turned away directly, and also from indonesia. so in terms of geographically and wear these interceptions were taking place it is a very different context from the uk. what we saw in australia when offshore processing failed to achieve the desired results, instead the australian government pivoted to a d
Madeline gleeson is a senior research fellow at the kaldor centre for international refugee law. she says off shore processing isn t effective. i understand that in the uk there has been some consideration of perhaps amending the way that asylum claims are processed, and in doing so the government might look around to other countries to see what has worked elsewhere. but to have honed in on offshore processing is the policy to be adopted, like we have had in australia, is somewhat bizarre, because it did not work here. on almost every measure, it was a policy failure, and we abandoned it pretty quickly as one of our main policies. so it is concerning to see that the uk is proposing to follow suit and perhaps walk into all the same problems we saw here. but meddle in. problems we saw here. but meddle in, in problems we saw here. but meddle in, in all problems we saw here. but meddle in, in all fairness, just to look at the other perspective, what are the solutions of this case, wha
This is newsday on the bbc. 0ur headlines the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelensky, says the expected large scale russian offensive in the east of the country has begun. at least seven people are killed in ukraine s western city of lviv, as russia intensifies its air raids across the country. inhuman and cruel is how many human rights organisations have called the british government s new scheme to send asylum seekers 4,000 miles to the east african country of rwanda to have their claim processed. similar allegations were made against the australian government, when they processed asylum seekers offshore on the islands of nauru and manus in papua new guinea. the australian government has since abandoned the use of offshore processing, and now pursues a policy of turning back all boats heading for its shores.