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Of illegal migration. this is a global problem - and there are some global factors that mean that the current level. of illegal immigration into the uk is artificially lower than it might be under labour in a few years l time, things to do around turkey and what the kurds are - doing on their borders. and so i think that- as well as sort of saying that they have a plan and the things that nick has outlined, they are thinking, gosh, - we re not going to do rwanda, but what kind of options do - we really have ? and maybe the line that they take | on rwanda might make it difficultj for them when they re looking for their own options. - right, well, i m going to say thank you very much to nick watt. thank you. and thanks to ailbhe rea. thanks for having me. ok, now for something completely different, because now i m joined in the newscast studio by comedian and, actually i m going to say it, more successful podcaster than us, josh widdicombe. well, i wouldn t go that far. ....