we ll see you again tomorrow. and now it is time for the last word, with lawrence o donnell. good evening,. lawrence good, evening alex. we re gonna have more of blaine aleksandr s interview with that for a person of the georgia grand jury. it s a 42-minute interview. we used 13 minutes of it last night. that s the most that has been shown anywhere on nbc are msnbc. there is more. there s the pat cipollone part that no one has seen before. we will get to that later in this hour. it is riveting television. i have seen some bits and pieces they did not make it to air, and you really could just screen the whole thing for you the entire hour. you really could. it s really something. and it s going to be irrelevant as soon as the district attorney fani willis makes four decision and goes forward. yes, and so that is why we much feast upon it now. it s all we have. right now it s all we have. and we have a right now, a handful of bread crumbs. i will be watching, lawren
by 24 states works through the court. the judge says that he s siding with those states after they argued lifting title 42 would put a burden on their local health care systems. the justice department says it plans to appeal. now, this comes as president biden is visiting south korea, one of our closest allies in asia. the president met with his south korean counterpart today. topping the agenda, boosting military cooperation and containing north korea s nuclear threat. peter doocy is live in seoul, south carolina, with more on the president s first asia trip as president and white house reaction to the title 42 ruling. peter. reporter: yes, arthel, we ve got all that. the administration thinks that it is time for border patrol officers to stop using covid as a reason to deport illegal border crossings, but this federal judge is basically saying, too bad. if. all this ruling is, is a stay of execution. the biden administration is doing everything they can to transform ame
And here i think this is a sign ejects mid is being left alone, that he can do what he thinks is appropriate, and he s really taking the view, which is the grand marais isn t title to every person s testimony. that s the law and he is carrying it out that way if there is no special treatment here and that everyone is beautifully to the same, that everyone is required to play someone who used to be a publics servant to go to the manchurian testify. it makes total sense, and in terms of his manner i applaud him. we re gonna squeeze in a break here. andrew weissmann, please stay here, when we come back former georgia district attorney glenn fleming will discuss more of the four person of the georgia grand jury that his recommended the indictment of more than 12 people. that s next. that s next.
Of execution. the biden administration is doing everything they can to transform america, and title 42 is the last tool left for our border patrol agents to actually push back. reporter: white house press secretary karine jean-pierre explains their side. she says the authority to set public health policy nationally should rest with the centers for disease control, not with a single district judge district court, i should say. at the heart of this federal judge s ruling is a nod to states that sued worried there could be a huge increase in illegal immigrants in border towns if title 42 goes away. the judge writes: the sheriff states have demonstrated that the termination order will affect their quasi-sovereign interests based on the impact on their health care systems and their interest in the health and welfare of their citizens. i think everyone s probably breathing a sigh of relief because what we know is that title 42 is really the only thing that s keeping that border in any
reporter: progressives have been pressuring president biden to get rid of title 42 saying they think it is cruel to deport someone who crosses the border illegally and blame covid. and the president is, by appealing this decision, is continuing to side with those progressives over republicans and moderate democrats who expressed a lot of concern over the last couple months about what is going to happen in border states because the administration has not laid out a concrete plan for what they want after title 42. arthel? arthel: hey, peter, do you think the president, though, is moving forward, as you said sort of not sort of, but siding with progressives, the courts keep saying, no, no, no, so he kind of, you know, is able to wash his hands of it. reporter: that s entirely possible. and this could be a situation where on paper because they say they want title 42 to go away, it would be seen as a loss, but politically because it is a tool the border patrol officers have