it s true in every administration who have yes people who say oh, i ve got a clever way for you to get ahead. what s different is those people never get anywhere. those are the people far outside of the room for any one of the number of reasons. here, you have the outside lawyer, john eastman, working in cahoots with the inside person, jeffrey clark, to basically launch this coup. you know, i think both of them have a lot to answer for. but just you know, i think there is something distinctive about a justice department attorney doing this. that s kind of the pinnacle of disrespect for the rule of law that you can imagine in our country. takes jeffrey clark to make john eastman to look less terrifying. tim miller, i want to press you on what i think congressman kinsinger sort of put in the lexicon about what their legal paperwork reveals they were
closely tied to the mormon church. i think the church itself would be reluctant to put him in a position of leadership at this particular point. the reality is he probably does more good for the church as an outside person than an inside person. ronald scott and matt visor, thanks to you both. thanks, craig. still to come, are we seeing a shift when it comes to attitudes toward legalizing pot? we re going to talk to a former white house adviser on drug policy. should a fascinating conversation. first, a new presidential term and perhaps a new agenda. climate change activists planning to protest at the white house next week. they re not wasting any time. do they have an ally in the oval office? this is msnbc. okay, that looks great.