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Not some vast information collection program. so you think the president did he make the case why they came up with this bulk collection of all these phone numbers, all these phone calls, the duration of the calls, to prevent another 9/11? i don t think that case was made, because i think it s not it s a case that can t be made. i mean, the facts show that only one very minor terrorist activity has been stopped by that program. so far. so far. that doesn t mean that others can t be stopped down the road. yeah, it doesn t. but the fact is, we have now, you know 13 years after 9/11. if you can only point to one very minor case, you know, it s hard to make the defense you re preventing big terrorist attacks with this program. jim, as you listen to the president, what did you think? well, it s interesting on that point oh. there is a very interesting moment last week in the senate judiciary committee hearings, the president was asked that same question. would this pre