Saudi arabia, they turned their backs on joe biden and their actually pumping less oil than they promise. they re not even stepping up to produce what europe might need, not buying from russia. and just one more thing. i m in a quote, i want to winston churchill. money talks, and [bleep] walks. and that s what zelenskyy said. greg: technically can t walk, under no. you know kat you doing a little bit of a reassessment of how things are going. are you optimistic are you pessimistic? kat: i m always pessimistic but that. i think that is just one of these things where i think it s good to have a view like you have where you worry about externality. we tend a few things at a polarized binary way.