15-45 minutes of a negotiation because that s when emotions run the highest. so with this four-hour time period, it can t possibly be viewed it can possibly be viewed maybe as a positive thing for the police. there are also some other positives. i ve been taking some notes here. interestingly enough, i just returned from texas last night, allen are, texas, where i just conducted a five-day hostage negotiation class for the negotiators, so it s interesting that now we have another incident going on in texas. but there are some negatives, of course. the fact that his brother on the side of the police this brother is, you know, convicted of being a terrorist. his sister, i understand, is in jail for 86 years. i was taking notes as i was watching earlier: i just learned about this a little while ago. so from the police side, what does he want, what is his motivation. often times when police negotiators arrive on the scene,