Direct report to him. howard: yeah. she was an executive vice president. i was reading katie couric s book, and i just stopped when i got to the page when she talked about how jeff zucker pushed very hard to hire allison gollust. quote, she and her kids moved into the apartment right above jeff and his wife. that was back in 2012. yeah. you know, it again, there is a lot of rumors swirling around that this had been going on for a long, long time. the fact that they were living in the same apartment building [laughter] one floor above or below the other kind of is an indication that they wanted to be close to each other. howard: new york media is a very small world. cnn has always marketed itself as the straight news many network when you and i were there. and then zucker, who many people credit or blame with making donald trump a national figure because he created the apprentice when he ran nbc, drastically changed the network.