Ukraine being independent for so long, and he doesn t accept that ukrainians and russians are two different people, and they are two different people with two different mentalities, opposite mentalities, because for ukrainians. ah, well, yes, this gets to the very heart of, in a sense, what putin s message to the world is. i mean, he wants to delegitimise the very idea of a ukrainian nation. he says it s a fiction. he says that had not lenin given ukraine too much of a sense of identity within the ussr, there would be no modern ukraine. and i just wonder whether you feel there are any people inside the nation state of ukraine today, that is ethnic russian people, who would identify with putin s version of history. i think you can find these people. i mean, i am one of probably 7 8 million of ethnic russians, and, i mean, most of the ethnic russians are not interested in politics, but they love it
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Right? well, i m not on the hill these days so i don t know the degree to which people are, you know, obstructing or cooperating. i would say to your larger point, people are sort of reticent about phone records and others being released. it s highly unusual. i don t remember a time over my 25 years of politics wherein you had phone records being released in this form en masse, but it is what it is, and again, it fwgoe back to a problem that is much more than the republican party or anybody elected within the republican party, it goes to the heart of, again, these institutions and traditions that have been the glue that have held our system in place. and you know, if we disregard those, it comes at, again, not republican peril, but american peril, and at the end of the day, we re all in the boat together, so yeah, people may be reticent, but let s lay the cards out and let s see what
Which is a shocking comment. and someone would misunderstand that and be motivated to act in a violent way. there have been long standing concerns about this. this taps into it. but i also want to say it comes at a time when the nation is galvanized at least before the impeachment discussion over a debate on gun violence. it comes as yet again a police officer has killed a person of color in their home. and it comes in the wake of an array of mass shootings across this country that have got a lot of republicans worried and upset about what to do. there is a broader context outside of just journalists this touches on the heart of, but it is a real concern for working journalists that somebody could misunderstand colorful and
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