january 6th. an omnipresent person there. he was involved or present during many of the moments that cassidy hutchison described in her testimony, including this moment. i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out that morning, and he said something to the effect of, please make sure we don t go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we re going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. manu raju is outfront live on capitol hill. you heard her recount her conversation with pat cipollone. so this subpoena, obviously significant. what are you learning about it? reporter: this subpoena sent today, demanding that he appear before this committee, saying that they have spoken to him in an informal basis, acknowledging that it did happen on april 13th, but now wanting his testimony, especially in light of all the new information that s come out. one of the big things that has come out through the course of these hearings and th
would happen if the president encouraged people to go to the capitol. but i m a lawyer. i ve been a federal prosecutor. i ve been in congress during impeachment trial, and i know how important that attorney/client privilege is, particularly when you re dealing with the chief executive of the united states of america. i would expect pat cipollone, who is highly respected, to respond to the subpoena. i would expect that he would want to have a court tell him that the privilege does not apply here or the public interest outweighs the claiming oh of the privilege. and so it s a very sensitive area that s important for all lawyers. it s important for me as governor and someone who is president to have confidence in that inner circle and the privileges that you can have those conversations. but this is obviously of great national interest. the committee has certainly made a case that the president acted irresponsibly during this time.
the record. according to the fbi crime data, the latest that they have, which is from the year 2020, arkansas ranked second in the united states for the most instances of rape per 100,000 people. that s got to be painful to hear, governor. i know you yourself would have allowed that exception. but you say the will of the people, you know, spoke. but it didn t actually happen, because you had roe. so i guess i m curious, what are you going to do about it? are you going to try to do something to change that part of it? or are you simply at this point going to focus on children born out of rape or incest in arkansas, having better lives? it s a good question, and first of all, any rapist, anybody who commits a criminal act, assault against a woman, they need to be prosecuted. we need to make sure that we investigate, go after that person, hold them responsible.
restrictions. the most important economic decision a woman makes in her lifetime is when and whether to have a child. and this court decision threatens to rip that away from every woman in the country. it s going to be up to governors. that s why this fight is so important. does this issue overtake other issues, other challenges, head winds that your party was facing? inflation has taken a toll, the cost of gas and groceries, it s tough. but i also know that you take away someone s ability to make their health care decision, that only compounds the pain that families are going to feel. michigan mom on a mission. reporter: tutor dixon is the leading candidate for governor, opposed to abortion rights. you have the pro life people that feel like this was a win, and you have the pro choice people who want something different. reporter: abortion right supporters are collecting signatures to put the issue on
secondly, whenever you re looking at the exceptions, you re right. the trigger law was passed at a time when roe v. wade was still in place. now that it s reversed, now that the real authority goes back to the state, experience is going to be instructive. how are we going to handle this? are we going to see real life examples that are going to change people s thinking on that, and the will of the people? we re going to learn from that experience, and i think it could be a time that has to be readdressed. but now, the will of the people is very clear on that point. and time and experience will dictate as to whether that will be changed in the future. governor hutchison, i appreciate your time and i appreciate the conversation. thank you. thank you. good to be with you. you too, sir. as you hear the governor speaking, governors are on the frontlines in the fight over abortion rights in america. jeff zeleny is outfront in michigan.