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to roll the dice and gamble. i think the question of a pardon is huge. and intimidating to the whole process here and the president is wise to step back and not do that because the act of that and interesting to see. the mueller team can look at that as destructive conduct. in these circumstances what is best for him and, honestly, the best thing to do is not to plead but to cooperate, as well. reverend al sharpton who is one of the few people that michael cohen has reached out to to discuss where his head is at but right now where his head is at but what about exactly is going to happen. he has come to an agreement with the prosecutors in the southern district of new york. that is not the mueller investigation. we need to figure out what role the mueller investigation is going to have in this agreement. in the end, this all has to be presented to a federal judge,
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Rudy giuliani tells nbc news it is time to put up and they have nothing but a bunch of irrelevant charges. no final decision has been made but an interview between the president and mueller, quote, does not look good. then in an exclusive interview with reuters, trump echoed giuliani s concern of possible perjury trap and raised this eyebrow claim on the investigation. i can go in and i can do whatever. i could run it, if i want. i m totally allowed to be involved, if i want to be. so far i haven t chosen to be involved. i ll stay out. with me now, nbc news hans nic nichols. i don t know what you make of that. any response from the white house, first of all, about the michael cohen plea deal which we re expecting in half an hour. radio silence from the white house. they just announced, ali, they re going to do an in town travel and the president slated to travel later today. that s important because it takes away another opportunity
Ludicrous by the day. you have to define which part of the white house thinks it s working. rudy giuliani thinks it is working. we saw the language he had with kristen welker earlier today. you ve seen from the giuliani faction from the president s legal team is an increasingly hostile posture towards the mueller investigation. so in contradiction and not at all in the same prese iece of w you have seen before where they seem to be cooperating and that very cooperation that led the white house counsel, don mcgann, to sit down and reportedly spend 30 hours with mueller s team. so, it seems like there is some cross currents within the white house. it s very aggressive and assertive and they are not afraid to really sort of challenge bob muller and use some hot language, ali? hans nichols at the white house. a lot of moving parts from the white house and from the federal