was no worse than acne and hagel was so upset and he resigned and a few months later the administrator was forced to resign as well. he knows what a va controversy looks like up close and personal. so in light of that, some lawmakers called for va chief eric shinseki to resign. where does hagel stand on that? he s not there nor will you find any members of the administration openly calling for shinseki to step down. much like president obama, he didn t exactly offer a very strong defense of the defense secretary. it was more along the lines of what we heard from president obama a few days ago which is let s see what the facts are and let s have these investigations run their course and let s fix the problem. it was not a full throated defense though of course also not a call for him to step down. i can t wait to hear more. jake tapper, many thanks. you can catch the entire interview today at 4:00 p.m. eastern on the lead with jake