This gunrunning operation? that is the most important thing for people to understand. the justice department is not my best blaming atf. but in fact committees combined task force are all about the justice department and along with the homeland security putting together a team that is supposed to work together and coordinate, and nothing could have been further from the truth. information was not shared. clearly the dea and others have culpability. our report exposes some of those problems. problems which of the atf has problems and we have people we would like to see fired. but we also see problems all the way up to the top of justice and candidly, still piping also goes over to homeland security and the fact that there were people from that cabinet position who were on the elizabeth but when something goes wrong, pretends like they were just along for the ride. that is something that the american people want us to do on the reforms i heard they don t just want a investigation.
Obama administration. the house oversight and government reform committee set to subpoena attorney general eric holder to find exactly how much he really knew about the failed gunrunning operation. here with more is fox news legal analyst peter johnson jr. nice to see you. nice to see you, clayton. break this down for us. if he gets subpoenaed and has to testify before congress again, is it convenient for him? can he get away with just saying, hey, i got these five memos that showed up on my desk and i just never read them. sure, it is. it may or may not be truthful but that s what he s going to say. he s going to go clarify his earlier testimony, the earlier testimony being that he wasn t aware of this program until a few weeks before he testified in 2011 when these memos show that there was apparently memos given to him back in 2010, a year earlier so the issue has become, did he commit perjury or not in his testimony to congress? answer that, how do we know? how will we know
And it appears attorney general holder is furious that republicans continue to investigate his involvement and his testimony when it comes to the gunrunning program. clayton: why depth he say anything about this when asked by a congressional committee? and the letter is now sent saying my testimony was truthful, and accurate, i have no recollection of knowing about fast and furious, or hearing the name prior to the public controversy. i cannot it is by as a majority member of the house committee on oversight, suggest that law enforcement and government employees who devote their likes to presenting our citizens be considered accessories to murder. at issue, they, are the five memos sent to holder in 2010 where in july they mention the name of the gunrunning operation, by name. alisyn: so we know as of yesterday the five memos were sent a year before holder said that he first knew about this.
Why did you decide to blow the whistle? guest: well it wasn t just me, this were dozens of agents across the country who saw a detearation in our leadership and decisions leading up to this fast and furious, bringing, making reports of the violations of rule and policy and law to superiors for the last couple of years trying to prevent something like this from happening. and this is the straw that broke the camel s back. clayton: and an agent was killed as a result and we know perhaps two of the weapons that were found at the scene may have been part of this gunrunning operation. we should be specific, it allows the traffickers to buy guns from the agent in a project called project gunrunner, the initiative and president obama and attorney general holder have
Denied the operation, they say they did not authorize this operation. what do you say to that? guest: somebody authorized it and something of this magnitude allowing this large of a breach of our borders and violation of our internal policies had to be approved, authorized and sanctioned by someone outside the agency. our director would never make a call like that on his own. clayton: you were served with democrat nation served with termination papers and the a.t.f. says they would not comment on ongoing personal matters and it is illegal to retaliation and the a.t.f. does not engage in improper reprisals meaning getting fired. what do you say? guest: i say there are