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so just yes or no. to make sure i understand what you re saying. right. no, no, it was great. thank you for laying that out there. but i do want to make sure our viewers and i understand. if the president didn t necessarily direct cohen to lie to congress, but knew that cohen was going to lie to congress, then that could still be a problem for the president. i think that s right. you know, some may disagree with me. but i think if you have two people who are conspiring or agreeing or coordinating with one another, and one says, look, i m going to give false testimony, the other one says, you know, cool, that s all right, go for it, that will protect both of us, that, i think, is criminal. as i said, we don t have the factual predicate for it. but it doesn t have to be a direct order, go lie, for it to implicate legal liability for the two parties. okay. and what about guiliani s admission that trump tower talks with russia may have lasted up until trump took office? is that p

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