i haven t seen him, i can t tell you. is there a bail application? so the judge remanded him without bail, which is understandable under the circumstances. but i don t have information in terms of risk of flight and the strength and weaknesses of the prosecutor case to rebut that and remanded and have opportunity at later time. one of the victim families and contacted and [inaudible] justice and emotional about it given that and still do you believe that client is innocent? everybody is presumed i don t formulate a belief in my mind as attorney, if someone did or doesn t do it. one is presumption of innocence, that everyone has to afford him. and two, which the government can prove the case. those are important and not in a position to comment. two more. do you intend to remain on this case? i don t know the judge asked and happy to take it and i don t know his intentions are and find out at later date. do you know how has his family is doing? i haven t