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right. but in ukraine have pretty shady reputation that s giuliani seems dead set on essentially elevating as the means of defending his client the president. absolutely. you go from shokin to his successor, yuri lutsenko who giuliani met with in budapest before he got to ukraine. he s the one who spun a bunch of tales about what the former u.s. ambassador marie yovanovitch had given him a do not prosecute list, that she was bad-mouthing trump, and those lies got spread through giuliani, through john sullivan at the hill. and he recanted them. he said by the way, guys, i was making that up. but now giuliani went back to him to try and prove somehow that the president is being impeached unfairly. it makes absolutely no sense. the only thing i can conclude here from hogan gidly is you have the president s lieutenants saying where s rudy, the republicans refusing to defend him. but i think he s doing this at the president s bidding. like he s still doing this for donald trump. w ....