sides is still immense. the russians have made very high level demands, calling for nato to pull back to 1997 borders, to never extend the option for ukraine and georgia tojoin nato, and for the united states to pull back its nuclear commitment to europe. this is clearly unacceptable. geneva s windswept lakeside has now been the backdrop for two rounds of high level diplomacy. is there now a process that can avert conflict? it is too early to say. paul adams, bbc news. our diplomatic correspondentjames landale has more from geneva. i think at this morning has gone largely as expected, in other words both sides exchanged views, both sides set out their own agendas and both sides agreed to carry on and continue talking and continue engaging. from the russian point of view, they think that is a good sign, because the americans it said next week we will put some ideas
not to expect a walkover. the ukrainians will fight this. this could end up as a quagmire, . and i think that should be seriously considered by russia. for now, russia appears to believe there is still value in talking. mr lavrov said he hoped emotions would now cool. but the gulf which divides the two sides is still immense. the russians have made very high level demands, calling for nato to pull back to 1997 borders, to never extend the option for ukraine and georgia tojoin nato, and for the united states to pull back its nuclear commitment to europe. this is clearly unacceptable. geneva s windswept lakeside has now been the backdrop for two rounds of high level diplomacy. is there now a process that can avert conflict? it is too early to say. paul adams, bbc news. let s speak to our kyiv
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