were aberrations, none of them rose to the point where it would have changed the outcome. i think we owe the american public and we most certainly owe our supporters that truth and that integrity. and so i ll stand by my story. i ll stand by my message. and that is just as i said before, i simply have no evidence that any one of those states would have had any different outcome based upon all of the information that we ve been able to gather at this point. all right. senator rounds, i appreciate your time. thank you so much for being with me tonight. you bet. have a good evening. all right, you too. and i want to go now to lieutenant general mark huertling. general, you had a chance to hear the senator, who s getting briefed on what s happening here. in your knowledge here having been commander of the u.s. army in europe, you established a partnership with ukraine, you attended training exercises in ukraine with nato and non-nato
significant if there are things that bring russia outside the boundaries of ukraine if they were to go into that country. and that s critically important. russia will become a pariah. it will become a pariah state if it goes into ukraine. that s my feeling, and that s why nato is so important that they stand together against all the oppression of other sovereign nations. general huertling, i appreciate your time. thank you. thank you. next, new legal trouble for trump tonight. a georgia prosecutor got the okay tonight for a special grand jury to investigate the former president s election interference. plus arizona s democratic party taking action against senator kyrsten sinema for her refusal to kill the filibuster. the chair of the state s democratic party is outfront. and what s driving some parents to have a complete change of heart politically. if you would have told me two years ago that i would be alienated from the democratic party i wouldn t have believed it. i rea
failing and they re shelling a lot of those areas and civilians are being hurt. as you know, we ve been reporting about this for such a long time now, the russians claim that they re not hitting civilian targets. what we saw on the ground, especially in that area, certainly seemed to indicate that a lot of civilian houses were being hit. the deputy defense minister came out and said the russians are trying to create corridors around the city, encircling the city. that s something the ukrainians are trying to stop and they say they re somewhat making headway, erin. fred, thank you very much. now let s go to retired army lieutenant general mark huertling and seth jones. he served as an advisor to the commanding general of the u.s. special operations forces in afghanistan. so much to talk about with what s happening on the ground. seth, first, though, president biden today saying he was, quote, expressing my outrage, end quote, but that he was not making a policy change when he
explicitly said putin cannot remain in power. he says he s not walking anything back and makes no apologies for anything he said. what do you make of those comments? well, i think the comments, frankly, were unhelpful. if we look at the russians right now, their military has gotten bogged down. the number of fatalities are in the order of about 10,000, which is an extraordinary number of russians killed in battle. wounded maybe at the 30,000 level, about a 3-1 ratio. the economy is in shambles and russia is politically isolated. so anything that begins to sound like the u.s. is encouraging the russians themselves or putin to be overthrown i think is backing putin into a corner. so i think the president doubling down frankly was probably not unhelpful. remember, russia at the end of the day has nuclear weapons so we don t want to get into a particularly destabilizing period with them. general huertling, you have spoken extensively and done