to the other two. their alarms may have been going off but they were so covered in debris that they couldn t be heard. so firefighters were just digging where they were last known to be. and the pictures you ve seen literally grabbing brick by brick and throwing them into the alley and going in with saws and hand tools until they found them and made the recovery with the ambulance standing right by. i cannot imagine. these are their brothers and they wanted to save them. also, larry, we had read reports of frozen fire hydrants. a, can you verify that for me? and if indeed that was the case, would this scenario had they been properly functioning would the scenario have played out differently? i can tell you with the ten years at the department and had a lot of experience before that. no, it didn t make any difference. we had one frozen hydrant, but we are anticipating that many times in winter conditions chicago. the hydrants are located 300 feet apart. doesn t cause a problem.