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let s begin by reflecting on that preliminary ruling from the international court ofjustice last week in the hague. you in the south african government were hailing it as an historic victory. but i would put it to you that a few days later, it has changed nothing. would you agree? it is indeed a historic victory. it has affirmed an international rules based order, which has also brought to an end to israel s exceptionalism when it comes to the gaza strip. and we believe that the state of israel will have to be put under pressure by the international community, by the multilateral forums across the globe, including the un, to abide by the. ..by the court order. and indeed, as you have said, the.on the ground, the situation has not changed much, but we believe that with time the needle will definitely move for the benefit of the children of gaza and the elderly women and women in general and all the people that are based in gaza. you were the opening voice, if you like, w ....
have you on the programme. let s begin by reflecting on that preliminary ruling from the international court ofjustice last week in the hague. you in the south african government were hailing it as an historic victory. but i would put it to you that a few days later, it has changed nothing. would you agree? it is indeed a historic victory. it has affirmed an international rules based order, which has also brought to an end to israel s exceptionalism when it comes to the gaza strip. and we believe that the state of israel will have to be put under pressure by the international community, by the multilateral forums across the globe, including the un, to abide by the. ..by the court order. and indeed, as you have said, the.on the ground, the situation has not changed much, but we believe that with time the needle will definitely move for the benefit of the children of gaza and the elderly women and women in general and all the people that are based in gaza. you were the op ....
minister, it s great to have you on the programme. let s begin by reflecting on that preliminary ruling from the international court ofjustice last week in the hague. you in the south african government were hailing it as an historic victory. but i would put it to you that a few days later, it has changed nothing. would you agree? it is indeed a historic victory. it has affirmed an international rules based order, which has also brought to an end to israel s exceptionalism when it comes to the gaza strip. and we believe that the state of israel will have to be put under pressure by the international community, by the multilateral forums across the globe, including the un, to abide by the. ..by the court order. and indeed, as you have said, the.on the ground, the situation has not changed much, but we believe that with time the needle will definitely move for the benefit of the children of gaza and the elderly women and women in general and all the people that are based ....
he is south africa s most prominent, most controversial political cartoonist. so, amid all of its troubles, is south africa able to laugh at itself? jonathan shapiro, better known by the pen name zapiro, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. well, it s a great pleasure to meet you, and i want to begin with something you said a few years ago. you said, moral outrage is what drives a cartoonist. you ve been at this cartooning for pretty much four decades. can you maintain outrage for four decades? you can. when i was doing five or six cartoons a week, i would sometimes wonder what the hell i m going to do today, and you wake up in the morning and the news itjust keeps coming. it would happen to cartoonists everywhere in the world because that s what drives all of us, i m sure. anyone who takes this craft, or this genre of communication seriously. but in a place like south africa, the news just hits you from every angle every day at an unbelievable rate. i wonder whether the ....
welcome to hardtalk. jonathan shapiro, better known by the pen name zapiro, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. well, it s a great pleasure to meet you, and i want to begin with something you said a few years ago. you said, moral outrage is what drives a cartoonist. you ve been at this cartooning for pretty much four decades. can you maintain outrage for four decades? you can. laughter when i was doing five or six cartoons a week, i would sometimes wonder what the hell i m going to do today, and you wake up in the morning and the news itjust keeps coming. it would happen to cartoonists everywhere in the world because that s what drives all of us, i m sure. anyone who takes this craft, or this genre of communication seriously. but in a place like south africa, the news just hits you from every every angle every day at an unbelievable rate. i wonder whether there s something personal about this outrage, which clearly developed quite young in you. you had a lot of trauma i ....