organized and had articulated specific as i mentioned before, tactics, techniques and procedures that would bring to bear a lot of violence in our estimation if they came to the district of colombia. using a large amount of people who were there for their first amendment protected activities as shields or even as a force multiplier for their more activities. do you believe what happened on that day was a chain of things that couldn t have been anticipated and the guards kind of let them go because there were too many of them and guards weren t set up and people started to enter the capitol but it was benign at first or do you think it was more intentional than that? well, i ll be honest with you. everyone is focussing on january 6th, chris, but the seeds of what happened on january 6th were planted a long time ago and wee seen this fermenting in