And they did not put him somewhere tidier for this part of the process. and that itself says a lot about what it means to be subject to the criminal justice system and treated like a citizen rather than a vip. the point you were making, just to amplify it, it is actually kind of remarkable to wamp a former president have to submit to state authority. have to submit to, you know, it is sort of a federalist kind of triumph that no matter how high you are, no matter what sort of rung of power you achieve, and he achieved the highest one in american politics, in the end, you re just a citizen and you have to go through the fithy jail if you re accused of a crime. you re a citizen. we re looking back and forth at the shot rachel was describing and inside the other pool from inside one of the vehicles. sometimes people ask us what s going to happen in the future. is he going to be convicted? i always say i don t know. i can tell you to rachel s point earlier, i know about past rico cases