neil: maureen, when you hear that they ll have a presser and give the all clear, i ve raised this with others. if you don t mind my raising it with you. that rules out accomplices. i hope it rules out anything more horrid. victims or other sightings or any of that. this might be isolated just to this individual and maybe none of that. well, i agree with joe cardinale 100%. in a situation like this with all of these other law enforcement entities that come together by the way, they train, train, train. in los angeles, where i was an fbi agent 25 years, we worked with usc, we worked with pepperdine, ucla. we oftentimes did all kinds of field training exercises where we worked through different
It s 1:00 when that students should shelter? place. neil: cassie, the students you saw were remarkably calm. you know, they had been assured that they could leave when they wanted to leave. not every one could leave at the same time. what is the situation now? for now the all clear was given at 4:14 p.m. telling people that they could resume their normal activities without going to class the rest of the day. it just depends on a person by person basis who you speak with i had one young lady that said she was terrified. not knowing if the shooter could go to where she was taking cover. others say it s surreal. like something out of a movie and they re trying to figure out what happened, waiting to learn the full story about who was shot here at u.n.c. chapel hill. exactly why this might have
Obviously checking every i.d. they did take somebody in to custody. they handcuffed a person, began questioning that person. that person was actually released. but about 1 1/2 hours later, we started getting the reports from wral that the suspect now in this incident is actually in custody. we re awaiting confirmation from u.n.c. police of that as a fact. we don t know it as a fact right now. but wral in raleigh appears to be confident of their information from what they say are their own police sources, neil. neil: great reporting, jonathan. i hear that students are to shelter in place. but many are walking around on the grounds of the campus or being led away from the campus. so some must be awaiting the all-clear. how are they deciding that and allowing some people to move around and others not? in this situation, neil what
Heavy doors. you go methodically go room to room. we don t know if he had a hostage. i m not saying that s what happened. you have to assume that. at some point, it looks like they did isolate him somewhere. maybe even through friends and relatives or something on social network, they talked him out. i don t think this is a situation where they caught him off campus or in some far-flung area of the campus. it seems to me is calculated silence, they didn t need a lot of help from the public. they wanted to make sure everybody had his picture so if they saw him they would avoid him and call 911. neil: right. you mentioned these are old buildings that go back to the 20s. heavy brick buildings. if shots were fired, it would be hard to pick up unless you were
Didn t think this would happen here. there s been incident there s. you never know. in america, you know, you just don t know. nowhere is really safe. you know, from texas, when the outlet mall shooting occurred in allen, texas. i never thought it would happen in my community. nowhere is safe right now. you cannot live and say it s not going to happen here. unfortunately we re in a state where it s not good. things are not good. if you ever are an active shooter incident, the key to remember is run, hide, fight. you try to get away, you run. if you cannot run, take shelter immediately and hide. if you cannot hide, you fight with everything you have to save your life. just remember, i hope no one in the sound of my voice has to experience this. i ve worked in cases where people have. if that is the case, it s run, hide, fight neil: the one thing that is