Can. We were among the first vehicle that get manage to dpet from the party area. Three minutes after we left the area on the road, we see the only things that we think that can hurt us was the missiles and we started to hear sound of gunshot to our direction. We heard the gunshot and look to the right and saw seven, eight meters away from us and shooting people and he looked at me and pointing the weapon at me. I shouted that they are shooting at us. In this moment, i also after zora told me, they are shooting at us, i saw the terrorists and realize if i continue straight on the road, we will get all the shots froms terrorists and zora will be killed. I turned left into the field while still shooting at us and hitting my car from behind and all this time we are just pray no bullets will hit nobody from us, not me or zora or our friend in the car. After that, we are driving at 150 kilometer per hour in the field only to drive away from the place with the terrorists with a flat tire as
ahead. nick paton walsh, cnn odesa, ukraine. now, john spencer is a retired u.s. army major and chair of urban warfare studies at the madison policy forum. he joins me now from colorado springs in colorado. and thanks for doing so, sir. before i get to your area of expertise, i wanted to ask you how disturbing is it that a nuclear power plant would be the site of russian incoming fire? munitions going into a power plant like that? that s a global disaster waiting to happen. it is very scary. especially, firing anywhere near any type of weapon. that is just ridiculous. you you are an expert on urban warfare. that is the big fear in terms of what could be coming if the russians assault kyiv with heavy weapons, then a no holds barred entry, what would that look like in a kinetic sense? it would look like hell on
that s a global disaster waiting to happen. it is very scary, especially firing anywhere near any type of weapon, that s just ridiculous. you are an expert on urban warfare. that is the big fear in terms of what could be coming. if the russians assault kyiv with heavy weapons, then a no-holds barred entry, what would that look like in a kinetic sense? it would look like hell on earth, to be honest. we re just seeing the very start of this, the indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas with the hope that there are some defenders in there. not following international law ensuring there making sure there are no civilians in whatever you re striking. it s russian doctrine, unfortunately. and we re going see this intensify. just think about the battle of grozny. the russians started on day one firing 3,000 artillery rounds a day. when they really faced resistance, it ended up being around 30,000 rounds a day.