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Poland. it is striking. two words we should circle from their public remarks, blinken and austin, one was winning. the idea that ukraine can win this war. it is not about losing it but it is about winning the war. the other word, weaken. the u.s. and its nato allies want to weaken the russian forces so much during this conflict that they would think twice about trying to do this again. they d make it impossible for russia to be able to have the forces and environment in order to launch a similar invasion down the road again to ukraine or anywhere else. let s bring in former nato supreme allied commander, retired four-star navy admiral, james stavridis. chief international security and diplomacy analyst for nbc news and msnbc. also with us, executive editor news at new yorker.com. thank you to both of you.