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Transcripts for MSNBC Love the Constitution 20240604 01:16:00

Agree with everything harry, they have, about if there was a hate crime it could be a federal crime. but it looks like here, to me, is more of the murder fetish, that you discussed earlier, richard, and that would be a power motive. a power over humans, a power over society, a power to cause mass death. that is not a federal jurisdiction, this would throw it into a sick statehomicide charges, and 20 aggravated assaults. if it turned out his writings were, you know, based on religion, race, or sexual orientation or something, and it could be federal. or if it s terrorism, it could be federal. i think it s leaning more towards the power of mass murder finish, his postings and writings, and the things he had. you know, also, i thought you had a great discussion with been about whether these guys are learners or not. it s interesting because, ben

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Transcripts for MSNBC Love the Constitution 20240604 01:18:00

This is a kind of type we see with these guys, so i think you kind of have both things going on. and then they act out, and it s like a mad dog you know? this is the way that al-qaeda has recruited people like this, who are susceptible to that online digital recruiting of white nationalists, who have done it, you get that guy who feels alone, feels marginalized feels weak, and he grabs on to that certain community, and in this case maybe people with a murder fetish, any kind of lives in there and unfortunately he exit out. so that is what we may be dealing with and like harry said i think we may see a warrant tonight certainly by the morning. i think it is probably going to be state murder warrants that s my guess if the friends expand out to match the gun the dna, the fingerprints the gun trace, maybe a confession. i think that is probably what s going to happen, but we can t say for sure. yeah harry, on this idea of community that he was in, and he had so many conversations. he was

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Transcripts for MSNBC Love the Constitution 20240604 01:32:00

Give any sort of real threat, where there really was not when i saw so far, then it s very difficult to define the guy. harry, your thoughts? now look, i agree with that, when you just are making noise on the internet it s hard to criminalize. there have been some inroads made in some communities, not through law enforcement but through social services to identify these potential problem guys, and really know when they might be taking, you know, within a couple of steps of actually acting out, as he seems to have done, starting in january. we don t know all the facts about him, so you re certainly right there is no law enforcement leverage, until but there may be, these are only two or 3% of the shootings in the country and they are notoriously difficult to stop. but there is some progress

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Transcripts for MSNBC Paper Glue 20240604 03:30:00

Never said i m gonna go to a mass shooting at a parade on the 4th of july. he never said that. he made a music video about mass shootings. the machine is only depicted in court to inform. so, you know, that is absolutely put that in speech. there is no question about that. you are allowed to make art about things that happen on planet earth. so, it s very difficult in the situation, unless there is some sort of other private indication, you can be obsessed with death on the internet. it s another thing you can be obsessed with. there was no overt threat that i have seen on the internet from, this guy yet. so, it s a very weird space for people who want to perpetrate this stuff. they can talk about it all they want. the issue is, if he doesn t give any sort of real threat, we re really there was not one that i saw so far, then it s very difficult to find the guy. harry, your thoughts? well, look, i agree with that, when you are just making noise on the internet, it s hard to crimina

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Transcripts for MSNBC Paper Glue 20240604 03:34:00

Next step is, you know he s taking, and given his rights, and his given a few months to talk to his detectives or not, obtain an attorney. and that s his next stage. so very non violent altercation here or confrontation with a person of interest, clearly. yeah, i think it was scared once he saw that cruiser in the front. the patrol in the back. like i said, this guy is not a real man. he s a coward, shooting and throw it goes from the roof. i mean he s a craving coward. i mean, he has images of and self like he likes to post, as ben was describing, he posted them on mr. big bands, brave guy. but as soon as the officers get around him, he is he is nothing. and now, he is arrested. you know, the community is a little safer. harry, quickly, reaction to that, from what you see? yeah, all through, textbook stuff. as a prosecutor, i m encouraged

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