like i have no idea that we could have broken through. but it was just a warning. and i don t think i took it seriously enough at the time, chris, i really don t. it was it was icky when i think back on it, but it was really, really a warning. yeah. and i mean the control here is the only other thing that i ll say here is that there also they live in fear of losing their audience. that s the other thing. there s control and there s monopoly but because they don t have real competition like everyone else in the media does, eric, we saw it a little bit with oan and newsmax and all of the election trutherism, where they started to get beat a little bit. they will never let that happen. it doesn t matter how vile, how horrible, how wrong or flatly factually wrong it is, they will chase whatever it is that keeps them in possession of that audience. yeah.
regime, precisely the policy they re railing against. they won t say that. they won t say anything about their bosses because they re too cowardly. instead what they re doing is pushing poison into people s brains that gets them sick. this is where both the modern enterprise of fox news and the conservative movement more broadly have ended up. the most acute threat to american democracy we have seen in 150 years. so happy 25th anniversary, guys. you did it. i want to bring in two people who have been studying the detrimental effect of fox news for years, joan walsh where she s written about the damaging impact fox has on our nation s health and eric boelert. he monitors right-wing propaganda in the post trump world. eric, let me start with you. there s an important point about the landscape of american politics. people watching this show most likely consume a lot of different media from a lot of different places.