here, i got to the point where no one had any idea what was happening behind closed doors in the debt ceiling negotiations. so i offered a wild guest, because that s all anyone was doing. and it is turning out to be pretty much based on pure guesswork and i came up with tuesday night and so i m hoping this thing kind of stays in this direction you say it s pure guesswork, but that s also someone who is a veteran of capitol hill and has seen negotiations and knows what they look like and also understand the stakes. that s the most important thing. here not just the political stakes, but what it would mean for the u.s. economy if we were to default. so we have congressman jim mcgovern, former chairman of the house rules committee, y all important house rules committee, now the top democrat on the committee joining us tonight. and we ll get the update from him as best he can reveal it at this point of exactly what the state of play is on the debt ceiling, above which i am
word that you and senator mccaskill had to say because i m sitting here kind of delighted so far on what is being reported in the new york times because on tuesday night here, i got to the point where no one had any idea what was happening behind closed doors in the debt ceiling negotiations. so i offered a wild guest, because that s all anyone was doing. and it is turning out to be pretty much based on pure guesswork and i came up with tuesday night and so i m hoping this thing kind of stays in this direction you say it s pure guesswork, but that s also someone who is a veteran of capitol hill and has seen negotiations and knows what they look like and also understand the stakes. that s the most important thing. here not just the political stakes, but what it would mean for the u.s. economy if we were to default. so we have congressman jim mcgovern, former chairman of the house rules committee, y all important house rules committee, now the top democrat on the committe
in these situations. they are seeing it is critical, and it s understandable. remember, there was also reports that they talked to every maintenance person, et cetera. this is different. this guy, whose name has not been identified, is representing he was, just passing by when his body was putting boxes in there. both of them are now represented by counsel because that is, that is part and parcel of the dress rehearsal he referred to where trump s empresario getting people to move things, putting boxes was documents in the storage room and the next day telling the visitors from doj oh, by the way, you can t search the boxes in the storage room. so that is pretty incendiary evidence that he knew they were coming, he hid it from them, and he had some helpers who i think now may testify just to the facts. but that s all you need. one unbiased honest witness to say this is what trump told me
been identified, is representing he was, just passing by when his body was putting boxes in there. both of them are now represented by counsel because that is, that is part and parcel of the dress rehearsal he referred to where trump s empresario getting people to move things, putting boxes was documents in the storage room and the next day telling the visitors from doj oh, by the way, you can t search the boxes in the storage room. so that is pretty incendiary evidence that he knew they were coming, he hid it from them, and he had some helpers who i think now may testify just to the facts. but that s all you need. one unbiased honest witness to say this is what trump told me to do. this is where i put. it. thank you very much for