Threat this way, telling the ap says this malware could be users on critical machinery, sabotage industrial processes and stable safety controllers leading to physical destruction machinery that could lead to the loss of human lives. cybersecurity veteran cybersecurity reporter nicole who we have turned to multiple times on this show to explain things to us in plain english. those of us without a tech back on my otherwise not get. when this alert came out tonight, she put and even finer point on it. kind of puts a shiver down your spine. she linked to this new joint alert from the u.s. government tonight, she said this. quote, here we go, new unnamed state hackers are infecting u.s. critical infrastructure, like electrical grid operators, would custom tools capable of worst-case an aerial attacks. there is no soft peddling it. this is very serious.
Here we go, new unnamed state hackers are infecting u.s. critical infrastructure, like electrical grid operators, would custom tools capable of worst-case an aerial attacks. there is no soft peddling it. this is very serious. joining us now is nikole cybersecurity journalist, author, she s also an adviser to u.s. security infrastructure security agency which is a house of homeland security. this it s a pleasure to have you with us tonight, thanks for taking time. thanks rachel it s so good to see you and your really set this up well. you and i have had these conversations for years now about russian potential attacks on the grid and we ve seen what they ve done in ukraine. and the reason you and i know that we are in a heightened threat landscape right now is because we know they ve had the access, we know they have the capabilities to shut the power down. we ve seen it in ukraine. what they have not had until now is the geo political to pull the trigger. there is really intere