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ultimately did not. so over a year into this, he s still wrong about what he says pence could do. let s be clear, under the act pence has a purely ministerial role. he s supposed to be opening envelopes, reading the ballots and saying goodbye. trump is still saying he could overturn the e ooh lex when he was advised that s not true. the question for investigators here is what is his true intent. does he actually know that he s wrong about this and he wanted to stay in power, wanted to subvert the election? he knew it was wrong and didn t care anyway. or does he genuinely believe that somehow pence had the ability to overturn the election. is he still operating under some misapprehension of the law. if it is the former and he knew all along he had lost, he was wrong about it, he was wrong on the law and went ahead with all of this anyway, i think that significantly increases his legal jeopardy. or perhaps he was willing to try anything and anything not caring what the law is.

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