new jersey. a rhetoric these days can be harmful especially inside the state legislature. they asked to meet with durr and talk to him about this. i spoke to the director of care and what he wished to accomplish. through conversation and sin see dialogue i think that people can change but it requires effort. it requires sincerity. and ultimately there is no benefit in cornering him. so with a conversation, maybe two or three, and through experience and coming to see the community, coming to learn from his own constituents who are muslim, we do think that we can change his perspective on the faith and on the people that follow the religion of islam. it really is the only option we have. it is really our obligation as muslims to do it. now, fred, durr agrogreed to