the bucket. some small arms ammunition and javelin tank missiles. the consequence to russia that are most severe is if they enter even in a modest kind of biting off a land bridge between crimea and the donbov, if they carry that out, it will put everybody s teeth on edge for a decade in eastern europe. very plausible that finland and sweden would then enter nato. clearly the baltic states, poland by the way, poland has a very substantial military force which will fight so i think the consequences to putin of an actual brutal land invasion of ukraine will be significant. in the short run, you re quite right. not a european union nation, not a nato nation, they re on their own. general barry mccaffrey, thank you so much for joining us. john kirby is still talking at