the war started. zelenskyy was there. he said, don t be appeasers. of course, my hair stood up, my father is a refugee from nazi germany. evo, no, ukraine is winning. let s help them win. russia is bigger, but they re not better. and i think this is the moment to strike even harder than we have. thank you, jonathan. that s fine. i m going to squeeze in this question i was going to ask. considering what the mbassador just said, how realistic is it that nato will remain on the side lines, not come into direct conflict with russia where things are right now? is it realistic that nato will be able to stay out of it? jane, and then ambassador daalder, i ll give you the last word. if any form of tactical nukes are used or if a massive cyberattack occurs, it will waft over to poland and they will have to get in. the fact that germany stepped up