begin a breakdown in nato and europe. i m glad to hear it now. i wish they acted in that manner a year ago. martha: steve, macron is speaking with putin. he s going to see zelensky as well. is there sort of a lessening of the u.s. role and increasing of france s role in this? i think we got to see it all so often. karl will know better than anyone through politics. macron is facing re-election in a couple months. domestic political terms, distancing from even hostility to america always goes down well with the french political audience here. just showing that he s not america s poodle as it were. in a political sense, when we watch the german chancellor speaking, he s now leading a