Clearly unfair? absolutely. especially when he was 4 62nd as a male, basically a, you know, middle of the road male swimmer can come in and beat females, and, lauren, it d be the same as if a male from the nba went on the wnba circuit. there are clear distinctions between males and females, and that is why the only way for fairness to be guaranteed is for there to be division by biological sex. lawrence: you make an interesting point. they once made a movie about this, and now it s actually happening in real life. cynthia, how big is it that women are now speaking up? it seems like there was some public pressure in in the sense to say you ve got to let this happen to suppress your point of view, or you ll be called someone that is hateful. right. it is really a large groundswell now, and it s good to see there