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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Witt Reports 20220123 17:08:00

well, i think as raf just said, basically, they re trying to get ahead of the russians rather than let the russians set the agenda here. by putting this out in advance, just like the american government a few weeks ago put out the idea that there are saboteurs being sent by russia into eastern ukraine, they re trying to make clear to the broader public that when they see something happen, to discredit it, to understand that this is not some sort of ukrainian internal crisis, that it would be an externally mounted coup. and i think there s some deterrent feeling, that if they expose it in advance, they re embarrassing russia or at least putting them on the defensive to the point where maybe they won t follow through. it does sort of speak to the complicated nature of where we re at. yes, there are 100,000 russian troops on the border, more potentially on the way. but there are all sort of things that russia could do short of that to cause instability in ukraine, whether it could be, y

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