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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211016 09:13:00

Love. and she wanted to be loved like that again. was judy lonely? she was lonely. she wanted somebody for sure. so judy s family was happy when she started dating jamie baldwin, a former police officer and 911 operator. the couple had a whirl-wind romance, and after just eight months, they married in 2012. how did you feel that your mom was with a former police officer? she was safe, you know, protected with somebody that would help her if she was in need. you know, somebody that had her back. did they seem happy? oh, yeah, extremely happy. and, you know, her being happy, i m extremely happy. detective chris reynolds, who knew judy personally, was looking into her death as part of a routine investigation. i knew miss judy for a very long time, ever since i was a child. did you like her? oh, yes. everybody liked her loved her. the detective had never met judy s husband but wanted more details on what happened that night. so about a week after her death,

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211016 09:58:00

i really felt like i had judy on my shoulder. i really did. i felt that family just really gave me a lot of hope and faith. less than three hours later, there was a verdict. we were all everybody was holding hands as tight as we could. and when they read that verdict, i mean, you could just hear everybody gasp. we, the jury, find the defendant, james harold baldwin jr., guilty of murder. i just broke down and crying. because i just couldn t believe it. we finally got justice for mom. detective chris reynolds was in the courthouse that day, too. he believes the jury made the right decision. and he wants the public to know he did more than they think to look into judy s death. still, he realizes because of his incomplete investigation, a killer might have walked free. you get emotional over this? i do.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211016 09:15:00

There at the fireplace, on the floor. i don t know if she decided to fix something on the tree, i i don t know. i was in the shop, and i never even asked her what she was doing. jamie said he assumed judy fell off the ladder and hit her head on the mantle. on the floor two stocking holders, one of them was broken. i got her up, and i got her in the bathroom. and i cleaned her up, and it was bleeding bad. jamie told the detective he grabbed a wash cloth from the bathroom and put pressure on her wound. but the bleeding didn t stop. he thought judy needed stitches. i said, i ve got to take you to the hospital. and she looked up at me, she said, i am not going to chester. she hated chester hospital. although chester hospital was a few minutes from their house, he said the couple got into their jeep and started driving to a bigger hospital 30 minutes away. i asked her, i said, how you feeling? she said, my head s hurting. i said, it s going to be okay. i m going to get you sti

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211016 09:28:00

Something. within about a week of judy s death, kay sat judy s sons down and told them everything. as they absorbed it all, they remembered something strange. teri king was at the hospital the night their mom died. in fact, she got there before they did. why are you here before us? i mean, this is our mom, our flesh and blood. and we re talking, like, 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. and there was another even more awkward story kay felt she needed to share with judy s sons. i don t want to tell this, but i m going tell you. and she said that jamie s been trying to get your mama to have a threesome with him and teri. what? yeah. yes. this is not something your mom wanted? no. no. when she told me that, blew my mind. or something you want to think about? no. no, i don t want to think about either. sex, lies, and a christian bike club. exactly. who would have thought? exactly. soon after kay opened up to judy s family, she called detective chris reyno

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20211016 09:37:00

he also failed to collect critical forensic evidence. did you say to your supervisor, i think we should have someone come in and look at this blood? no, i didn t. do you think you should have done that? absolutely, i ve never denied that. reynolds never sealed the house after he photographed it. so anyone could go in, and someone did, teri king. remember, she was in jamie s hospital room the night in question. what happened to the blood evidence at judy s house? well, according to what we found out in our investigation was that teri left the hospital, and she went back to the house and cleaned it up. with permission from detective reynolds? yes. not only did he give her permission to clean it up, he offered help. i even gave her a number to a company. they specialize in crime scenes and disaster restorations. i said, somebody has to clean it up. so you re giving her advice about how to clean up a potential crime scene? no, she asked. she asked for help, and that

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