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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:28:00

In fact, she got there before they did. how are you here before us? it s our mom. it was one or 2:00 in the morning. there was another even more awkward story that k felt she needed to share with her sons. i don t want to tell you this, but jamie s been trying to get your mom to have a threesome with him and terry. why? this is not something your mom wanted. no. or something that you want to think about! i don t think about it. sex, lies and a christian by club. exactly. who would ve thought? exactly. soon after, k opened up to julia s family. she called detective chris reynolds. i have some text from johnny, i think you need to see them, because she says that she suspected jamie and terry. he said, i ll get back with you, k. i said, okay, and i never heard from him again. the brothers in jessie also felt that they weren t getting anywhere with the detective. we have to find somebody to

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:36:00

Suspicious, that it might even be a homicide. wouldn t you, being overly cautious, as a detective, say, we should do a little more here, we should get evidence, even if it s not a murder, at least we have it, and we did our job. we don t need it, let s get. it i agree, 100%. those photos the detective took inside of judy s house, this is how a number of them came out. some of them were so blurry and bad. yeah, the camera we had wasn t good at the time. even if the cameras not that good, you can still take those shots. i struggle with the camera we have. he also filled to collect critical forensic evidence. did you say to your supervisor, i think we should have somebody look at this blood? no, i didn t. do you think you should ve done that? absolutely, i ve never denied that. reynolds never seagull the house after a photograph, so anybody could go in, and

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:35:00

Family that people hadn t been interviewed yet, they were considered evidence hadn t been collected. chris reynolds said that he truly believed that it was an accident. so, he just didn t feel the need to investigate this as a crime, a potential crime. that is something that, with his experience, he should have known that you don t make those kind of exceptions upfront. when someone dies, you treat it as a murder, until you know otherwise. we asked detective reynolds about how he handled the investigation. did you collect jamie s clothes, did you take judy s clothes, did you take your cell phone, did you take jamie cell phone? no. why not? we didn t collect anything at the house. that was a judgment call. some consider that a questionable call, because there was something else. early in the investigation, the coroner told a detective that he thought judy s death looked

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:13:00

The couple had a whirlwind romance, and after just eight months, they married in 2012. how did you feel, that your mom was with a former police officer? it was somebody that would protect her and help her if she was at need. someone who had her back. did they seem happy? yes, extremely happy. and when she s, happy i m extremely happy. detective chris reynolds, who knew her personally, was looking into her death as part of a routine investigation. i knew miss judy for a very long time, since i was a child. did you laker? oh yes, everybody loved her. the detective had never met judy s husband. but wanted more details, on what happened that night. so about a week after her, death he asked jaime to come down to the sheriff s office. why do you bring him in, even though you believe this is an accident? we are crossing the tees and dotting our eyes. i wanted to make sure i had everything covered. she was just one of those people, as soon as you met, her

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 07:58:00

Support, and judy herself. i really felt like i had judy on my shoulder, i really did. i felt that family gave me a lot of hope and faith. less than three hours later, there was a verdict. we were all everybody was holding hands as tight as we could, and when they read that verdict, you could hear everybody gasp. we the jury find the defendant james baldwin junior guilty of murder. i just broke down crying. i couldn t believe it. we finally got justice for mom. detective chris reynolds was in the courthouse that day two. he believes the jury made the right decision. he wants the public to know that he did more than they think to look into judy s death. still, he realizes because of his incomplete investigation, a

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