provide security for figures like roger stone, alex jones, ali alexander and michael flynn on january 5th and 6th, describing potential partnerships with other groups and security details. the continuing threat posed by the big lie amid new revelations about the insurrection is where we start the hour. jackie is here, washington post congressional investigations reporter. also, charlie sykes and with us onset, mike schmidt, new york times washington correspondent whose byline is on the times reporting about the national desertification efforts. all msnbc contributors. mike, obviously what jumped out at us was the quote from the judge. explain who he is and the significance of his comments. so he is a leading conservative legal voice. he was someone who was considered by george w. bush to be the chief justice of the supreme court. he was an appeals court judge.