trial to go this way at least on both counts here. were you surprised? reporter: i was not, jim. good morning to you. for the following reasons. it s a very difficult process we have in having 12 people reach an accord. so that is really built into it. then when you get the different dynamic facts here and you have an officer, people generally don t like to convict, there are going to be factions, infighting. it s oftentimes the case, believe it or not, where you have a jury that comes out and says, judge, we re really divided and we just don t know what to do. i m summarizing of course. and the judge says go back and deliberate and reach a consensus. and that s what they did here. i don t want to draw lines between cases with fundamentally different facts. but fact is we have had a couple high-profile cases with derrick khchauvin