Several times so she s a logical choice. what does this mean for the white house? let s bring our panel in for a conversation when that as well. elahe izadi is with me, brian lowery of cnn, and npr critic derrick eggins. it is logical given her background and trailblazing status that s this comes when there are debates about gay rights, anti-lgbtq laws being passed in many states and jean-pierre now taking over later this month. yeah, this is definitely a history making moment. as the new press secretary has said, when she came out to talk about her appointment in this role that she acknowledges the history being made and tried to pivot and said everyone who s here at the white house, we re here on behalf of the american people. the biden administration has made these sort of history-making moves before. it will be interesting to see this new press secretary in this role at a time when issues around lgbtq rights are coming