protecting title ix and the danger if we equate biological sex with gender identification in our laws, we could eradicate the laws that protect the separate sex category in sport. there are ways to handicap, we do it in golf. we have to dig deeper and look at science-based research and not promote policies that wind up demonizing somebody like lia or traumatizing the women on her team. john: in terms of times, too, we have to go, but boston university did a study that found to a large degree testosterone suppression therapy alone does not level the playing field. so we look forward to what the ncaa says later this week. we do, i m glad we are having the debate. glad they are finally stepping up. thank you. donna de varona, thank you for joining us. sandra: meanwhile, president biden will speak to the american public tomorrow as the administration faces yet another