Higher political ground of locking arms with the police departments, and pushing tough on crime policies. it is not exactly a profile in courage, but it is hard to be courageous when you are not allowing yourself to not be putrefied for betting on your own principles. joining me now, is activists, arthur, and host, of his save the people podcast. he is also the cofounder of campaign zero, a nonprofit that looks at reducing police violence. derailed, thank you for being here. always a pleasure to talk to you. what do you think explains the retreat from the defund the police policies, by so many democrats right now? one of the things that s really interesting across the country is there was a lot of momentum in the summer of 2020, going into summer 2021.