this is never a good thing. your dad was shot. i collapsed to the floor. none of it made sense to me. i had to hear the whole story. fences make good neighbors, they say. this was made for a fight. drug private property without permission. we are? big sky country, small by one man. the neighbors felt he was a bully. this man, who refused to be fenced in. praise for this country. a showdown, for shooting, and one man died. on his elbow, he said, he should ve done that. the shooter says it was kill or be killed. what was the truth? it was murder. kieran simple? yes. the man who shot first told his story. him or me, and i shot him. he said he came at me with a gun and i didn t have a choice. did the dead man s body tell a different story? wasn t even looking at him. he was looking the other direction. he got shot in the back. only two men were there and one of them is debt. now, his daughter wants the truth. who is this guy that could just
house announcing it will send another $360 million in humanitarian assistance to ukraine, as well as 400 million more in military equipment to help slow the russian onslaught in the eastern donbas region. and, to support the people affected by russia s war. while on capitol hill, the january six committee is gearing up for another hearing this tuesday. after securing testimony from a key witness. yesterday, former trump white house counsel pat cipollone, sat down for a marathon seven and a half hour interview before that panel. so joining us right now, nbc s laura barrick in delaware, liz mclaughlin and highland park illinois, and janice mackie flare from tokyo. welcome to you all, more we re gonna start with you here. talk about the abortion protests, but first, what do we know about the january 6th committee s hours long interview with former white house counsel pat cipollone? well, this is something very generous its committee has been waiting months for, to hear that te
this is dateline. she s, like christy, i need you to sit down. i m like, oh, no. this is never a good thing. your dad was shot. i collapsed to the floor. none of it made sense to me. i had to hear the whole story. fences make good neighbors, they say. this was made for a fight. drug private property without permission. we are? big sky country, small by one man. the neighbors felt he was a bully. this man, who refused to be fenced in. praise for this country. a showdown, for shooting, and one man died. on his elbow, he said, he should ve done that. the shooter says it was kill or be killed. what was the truth? it was murder. kieran simple? yes. the man who shot first told his story. him or me, and i shot him. he said he came at me with a gun and i didn t have a choice. did the dead man s body tell a different story? wasn t even looking at him. he was looking the other direction. he got shot in the back. only two men were there and one of
so what did mr. smith say about this case? just to be clear, doctor, your opinion is that mr. newman was shot in the back as he turned away from the gate some ten feet from the gate? yes, that is correct. and that he fell to the ground on his back? that is correct. and then he was shot a second time, landing in this death position and those ones to the hand lined up perfectly? line up perfectly. the big mystery that, according to prosecutors was, why. why would joseph campbell have shot him in cold blood? well. do you remember that video of campbell taken by a hunting party in 2008? prosecutors played it for the jury, to show that campbell was not afraid to confront. and chase of anyone who prepared to cross his property. even when he was on outnumbered. you can see on the video he was not afraid of those
remember the crime scene expert who had to wait for the snow to melt to make his calculations? this is him. my job was to independently investigate what could ve happened at this particular crime scene. william neck, a forensic scientist. what he did was try, with an assistant mind you. to reenact events as joe campbell claimed would have happened. lining up body position, tracking the bullets. that sort of thing. and? were you able to reconstruct the scene as mr. campbell said hit had happened? no i was not able to do that. for either shot. but guess what did lineup? the shots in the opposite order. that campbell had claimed. my opinion is, mr. campbell shoots mr. newman in the back as he is running from the gate. at that point, he falls to the ground on his back in the death position. at the time, mr. campbell takes the second shot. a grazing shot over the head.