figure and then a trump figure, also a convicted felon, by the way. he told the january 6th panel that it was this army colonel that came up with this, quote, idea. i would call it a coup, to seize voting machines by the military. he said phil wadron originated the scheme, which would almost certainly have been illegal. having the pentagon seize voting machines is indeed illegal. in fairness, this was so wacky, that even the wacky people were like, that s wacky. i just want to be clear about the facts as we follow. there s no yet public evidence that, for example, mark meadows or the president signed off on this military idea. but i m curious juanita as a student of the era we re living in, what you think of people like kerik and waldron were even getting an audience at the