The line there but push russian forces further back? because you hear this discussion as well, recapturing parts of donbas even some say crimea, and that s a more optimistic view, but is that a realistic view? i think it depends on part to what extent the u.s. and nato continue to support ukraine, but the next weeks, i think, are going to be in some ways decisive. the ukrainians have the gun to sustain some momentum in a counter cou counteroffensive, and they have decisions to make now that they ve pushed the russians out of the perimeter of kharkiv where might they open a new front. that s a political decision as well as a military one. the russians are attempting to layer in their own form of governance and ukrainians need to contest that. raising the russian flag and sometimes even the soviet flag in some of these cities. thank you so much for joining us. after 11 days on the run, casey white is now said to be cooperating, described to be pretty candid with investigators