were invaded by russia. we re not getting hung up on words like offensive and defensive. you can see the list. it s helping them defend themselves, their troops, cities, towns and people every day. if you look at that package that the president signed yesterday, it s really designed very much more specifically and tailored to the kind of fighting that we think the ukrainians will be experiencing in the donbas. artillery. counter artillery radar systems. more uavs. even unmanned surface vessels that can help them with coastal defense. we know mariupol is a coastal city a port city. that coastline is still important to the russians in terms of their goals in eastern ukraine. we tried to tailor this to the kind of fight that we think they ll be in. martha: not to we talked that this before. you want them to win. of course we do. martha: why the hesitancy to say we would offer them offensive weapons?